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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 05:29 am
Dear Mister Jim Butcher:

I have just read Welcome to the Jungle and I have something I would like to say:

Harry Dresden is not 6'9".

The idea of Harry Dresden being 6'9" is so laughable I'm fairly certain you have a problem conceptualizing height. As further evidence of this, I point out that you have a man who is 6'9" driving a classic Volkswagen Beetle. I know he is a wizard, but that is ridiculous.

Also, if he were 6'9", many of his conversations with Karrin Murphy--just a smidge over 5', remember?--would have to be conducted with the aid of a bullhorn.

I am choosing to believe you are aware you have this problem and that's why most of your descriptions in the books are more like "of around average height" or "an inch or two above average height," except in the cases of a couple shorter people where you obviously had some sort of personal marker in mind. It's okay; I have the same problem with distances and usually describe them as "within a few hours' travel on foot" instead of with miles or (god help me) kilometers. It's not a serious flaw. Just go back to being vague and everything will be fine.

And please do not put this in the actual story where I will not be able to ignore it.

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lilacsigil
lilacsigil
lilacsigil
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 10:58 am (UTC)

Um. That's just silly. I know a guy who is 6'2" who drives a VW beetle - his head touches the roof, and he has to sort of wedge his knees under the steering wheel.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 10:00 pm (UTC)

I'm picturing Harry driving from the backseat, now. If he took out the driver's side seat entirely, at 6'9", it might even work.


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cdybedahl
cdybedahl
People bad. Fire pretty.
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 11:13 am (UTC)

I point out that you have a man who is 6'9" driving a classic Volkswagen Beetle

Er, I have problems just getting into one of those, and I'm only 6'2".


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 09:59 pm (UTC)

Your comment taken with the one directly above it is enough to make a girl wonder.


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nomadicwriter
nomadicwriter
Nomad
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 11:54 am (UTC)

Erm... Am I crazy, or wasn't Harry's height explicitly given as 6'4" at one point? It's possible I'm mixing up book canon with something about the guy they cast for the TV series, but... I could swear I got 6'4" from somewhere.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 09:32 pm (UTC)

He really does very rarely give anyone's height. I can't swear about Storm Front because I literally can't reread that, but I've just about reread everything else twice recently, and I don't remember a 6'4" reference. Except for people like Murphy and Butters, he's really very vague about height, to the point where I kind of want to ask him what he thinks average height is so I can start doing some figuring.

But yeah, I've been placing Harry around 6'4", maaaaybe 6'5", myself. That is pretty damned tall and into custom-clothing range, particularly when you're skinny like he is, since it would really enhance the illusion of that height.


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rike_tikki_tavi
rike_tikki_tavi
Sister Nail Gun of Sweet Reason
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 02:06 pm (UTC)

I point out that you have a man who is 6'9" driving a classic Volkswagen Beetle. I know he is a wizard, but that is ridiculous.

Maybe Dresden's car is part TARDIS? Otherwise there's no way that's going to work. My brother is about 6'7" and just about manages to fold himself into a VW Golf.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 09:58 pm (UTC)

One of my housemates keeps going, "He's a wizard and you complain about this?" which has lead to me giving her a lecture about fantastic premises requiring realistic details to sell them at least twice. And then she says "He's a wizard again," which is probably going to end in me dropping a VW Bug or a Tardis on her.

(That said, I wonder if space compression magic is doable in that universe? It's never come up, but that could very well just be because Harry's got a lot of muscle and considerably less finesse, magically speaking. All of the Senior Council could have ballrooms tucked in closets for all I know.)


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 09:27 pm (UTC)

It's in the supplementary material at the back of the Welcome to the Jungle trade, the stuff that's a quick recap of who Harry and Murphy are as a sort of trailer to the rest of the comics series. It's back at the library already so I can't check for sure, but it says something like "Harry is extraordinarily tall--6'9"" and my face broke into a wave of "WTF NO" and the rest of the text got blurry as a result.

I mean, it could be a typo--I suspect he's engaged in a quiet warfare campaign against one of his copy-editors who keeps changing "Gentleman Johnny Marcone" to "Gentleman Johnnie Marcone" so it's obvious the machine isn't working as well as it could be--but little things make me think it's not.

But it's not in the main text so I shall ignore it.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)

See, this is a problem I will never have, because the tv show and the books are so different that it's a Constantine-Hellblazer situation here. It's one of the things that vexes me about the fic comms, the few times I've poked my head in--these people may have the same names, but they're so different in most other ways that mixing them like that gives me a headache.

Although complaining about it always makes me feel like one of the characters in Toys, which is a peculiar place to find your life.

That said, temaris on JF told me that one of the problems Butcher had with the series casting was he didn't think Paul Blackthorne was anything like tall enough.


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jaenanda
jaenanda
Jaenanda
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)

I have a 6'8" former friend who has, on occasion, been known to drive a mini cooper.

I just gotta say, watching him get in and out of that thing is more fun than a three-ring circus.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 09:48 pm (UTC)

See, it could have worked if he'd put in more leg-work on establishing it, but while we do get the occasional "clown car" reference they all seem to mean other things.

Hey, I've been meaning to ask you: my eyeshadow recently bit the dust (and needed replaced anyway), and I'm looking for a good replacement that isn't too expensive. It's pretty much got to be in multipacks or whatever they're called (samplers? palettes?), because I'm still learning what colors work best for me, and I seem to do a lot of blending. (I should probably pick up some decent brushes while I'm at it. I've been using q-tips, and I can see you shuddering halfway across the country.)


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jaenanda
jaenanda
Jaenanda
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)

OK, for eyeshadows I recommend NYX brand. Their color payoff is great, they blend easily, and you get three coordinating colors in a palette for under $10.00.

However, you can get great color payoff with cheap eyeshadows if you use a really good base. M.A.C. makes my favorite, it's really an eyepaint called "bare canvas", but it's $16.00, so while it's a great investment and lasts a long time, I can also understand if that's a little steep. L'Oreal H.I.P makes a similar product, forget the shade name, but it's basically a creamy eyeshadow that comes in a tube that looks like paint. Get the lightest color- L'Oreal owns M.A.C. and it's pretty much the same thing as their eyepaint, honestly. Anyway that's usually around $12.00 but I've seen it on sale for as little as $7.00 or in "buy one, get one" promotions.

*deep breath*

One last thing: brushes- girl, get thee some eyeshadow brushes. They make things so much easier, and they don't waste pigment the way Q-tips do, so your eyeshadows will last a lot longer. Try E.L.F. cosmetics- you can buy their stuff at some K-Marts, but if you don't mind paying shipping costs you can also buy them online. Oh, and I forgot to mention- they're all just $1.00 and really awesome. Buy several, and you won't need to worry about cleaning brushes in between layering light and dark colors.


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jaenanda
jaenanda
Jaenanda
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 11:59 pm (UTC)
ps

try golds, greens, and purples.

No, Mardi Gras hasn't eaten my brain. Those colors will go great with your skin and eyecolor, however.


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jaenanda
jaenanda
Jaenanda
Wed, Feb. 11th, 2009 12:12 am (UTC)
Re: ps

not all at once, obviously.

Unless you want to.

Also: http://www.nyxcosmetics.com/

http://www.eyeslipsface.com/

http://www.walgreens.com/store/pickcolor.jsp?CATID=304795&navAction=push&navCount=0&id=prod3869252&skuid=sku3868103


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jenavira
jenavira
Jenavira
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 07:48 pm (UTC)

...hee. I mean, I share Mister Butcher's problem with visualizing height (and weight) in numbers, so I can sympathize. But dude, even I know that's ludicrous.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Feb. 10th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)

Yeah, and it would make sense it's more of a problem with taller people, because the smaller the unit/thing in question, the easier it is so conceptualize... at least until you start getting into really small stuff. I mean, I can visualize a foot just fine, but a 12" by 12' room always sounds incredibly small to me, and then I have to go find the one in my house and remind myself no, this is perfectly fine. It's not big, but it's not tiny, either.

Edited at 2009-02-10 09:54 pm (UTC)


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