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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Tue, Mar. 23rd, 2010 06:00 pm
Obviously in this version of the books Karrin Murphy gave Harry cooties.

mafiabanter
Hot Yakuza/Sulky Minion Banter: Dresden/Marcone
A Harry Dresden/John Marcone comm for fic, art, conversation, or whatever

Some day I will belong to a fandom where the rest of the fandom and I are observably watching or reading the same source material. Today... is not that day. Seriously, what the hell?

ETA: It's not the pairing that bothers me here, it's the characterization. Not to mention... 'Yakuza'? Seriously?


Speaking of cooties, I seem to have plot ones. Poor azarias has spent the last two weeks crying on my shoulder about how the fanfic she's writing was just supposed to be a conversation about killing children and then some buttsex*, and instead she's got this big thing where even buying bread starts a digression about what bread means in their society and to them, personally. And she's not even doing research, since it would be a violation of the canon**. I'm trying to be sympathetic, but when she started complaining about how the sex scene turned out to be more than half them talking and not actually fucking, I may have pointed and laughed a little. MY PAIN, LET ME SHARE IT WITH YOU.


* It's for Spartucus: T&A B&S. If you know anything about the show at all, no further explanation is needed.
** See above.

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straussmonster
straussmonster
unidentified
Tue, Mar. 23rd, 2010 11:01 pm (UTC)

I really dun get Harry/Marcone either. It's not *quite* Two White Guys, or is it, but...


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amand_r
amand_r
That's Lay-day Snackpants to you, buster.
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 04:19 am (UTC)

YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

I ship Molly/Carlos.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 04:52 am (UTC)

Okay, yeah, I definitely need to throw an edit in there about how my problem isn't the pairing, it's what the FUCK kind of characterization are you rolling with that makes "Hot Yakuza/Sulky Minion Banter" seem like a good pairing comm name to you? That's completely blown on both sides.

Of course, I also have an issue with how snubbed Molly and Murphy--two of the most important people in Harry's life--generally are in these fics, but that's kind of par for the course in slash, and while that's not good it's not something the fandom stands out on by any means. :/

Edited at 2010-03-24 05:14 am (UTC)


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amand_r
amand_r
That's Lay-day Snackpants to you, buster.
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)

I would be curious to know why the "Yakuza" is there, seeing as how neither of them is Japanese.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Thu, Mar. 25th, 2010 02:54 am (UTC)

Appropriation Yay? I don't know. That bugs me more than the 'minion' bit--that's just bad characterization, it doesn't have the additional problems 'Yakuza' has. I mean, the Chicago Outfit has apparently been pretty well-known for being fairly equal opportunity in regards to ethnicity, especially in comparison to the New York one, but I still don't think that can stretch to cover this.


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amand_r
amand_r
That's Lay-day Snackpants to you, buster.
Thu, Mar. 25th, 2010 03:11 am (UTC)

The fact remains that no matter now open the Chicago faction, the Yakuza isn't.

LOL PEOPLE.


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azarias
azarias
Two boats and a helicopter.
Thu, Mar. 25th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)

They were rebranding, okay? Getting ready for business in Web 2.0!


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 04:50 am (UTC)

My complaint isn't that I don't get the pairing, actually. I should probably ETA that. I initially had a complete "What? No." reaction to it the first time I saw it anywhere (Yuletide prompts), but then when I reread the books after that... yeah, I get it.

I have a kind of ridiculously obvious type--especially ridiculous for how long it took me to notice I had it--that has to do with bitching at each other and one person being not terribly good, all things considered, and the other person still trusting them despite everything, but not without lots of yelling or at least grumpiness: Zeke/Lucifer, Damien/Gerald, Zuko/Katara, etc. House/Wilson just barely clips the edges of that--it's got banter and trust issues, anyway. But it does have one big point in common with Harry/Marcone: most of the fanfics I've glanced at ignore or hastily fix those issues, and at that point it very nearly is an Any Two White Guys pairing, especially if you don't bother writing the banter, either.

I don't get that--I mean, shouldn't those trust issues and the banter be selling points for you? There are so many other characters out there you can slash who don't have them; why take a pairing that does and genericize it? But I've been wondering that one long before I started poking around Dresden Files fandom.


ETA: The two demotivators that I always think of when I talk about my pairing tastes:
http://despair.com/destiny.html
http://despair.com/noname13.html

Edited at 2010-03-24 05:10 am (UTC)


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mayatawi
mayatawi
Maya Tawi
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 11:03 am (UTC)

Yeah... I'm in the comm and a fan of the pairing, but the yakuza thing bothers me too. Like, as far as I can tell, the people who created the community (one of whom is bookshop, shockingly) were into anime at the time? So CLEARLY that meant anime tropes/characterization had to be invoked. OF COURSE. Which is how a MOB DUDE FROM CHICAGO became YAKUZA.

Not even getting into calling Harry a minion. I'm pretty sure he's blown up buildings for less.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Thu, Mar. 25th, 2010 01:09 am (UTC)

one of whom is [info]bookshop, shockingly

So much is suddenly explained. What the rest of us would say in a moment of adrenaline-charged giddiness and then later on go, "Actually, wait, no," she convinces someone is a fantastic basis for a community.


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azarias
azarias
Two boats and a helicopter.
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 03:18 pm (UTC)

Yeah, but what do you expect? bookshop named it.

Which is also to say that you should all read this series with me, and then you should SLASH HARRY WITH GENTLEMAN JOHN MARCONE, who is a HOT MAFIA LORD who likes to RESCUE HOT WIZARDS NAMED HARRY. Because they spend the first 2 books chasing each other, flirting, soul-gazing, snarking, smugly calling each other by their first names, and exchanging HOT YAKUZA/SULKY MINION BANTER.

Yeah, that's some deep characterization, there.


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amand_r
amand_r
That's Lay-day Snackpants to you, buster.
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)

Bookshop is in HD fandom now?

I am so behind the times.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Thu, Mar. 25th, 2010 05:54 am (UTC)

I'm pretty sure she's moved on. She was in Nero Wolfe fandom for a while, and someone quoted me something she said about those books that made me decide never to go near her journal ever ever again, so I have no idea what she's doing now. With luck, it's no longer something I care about.


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straussmonster
straussmonster
unidentified
Wed, Mar. 24th, 2010 06:28 pm (UTC)

As always, Aja and I are not reading the same thing.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Thu, Mar. 25th, 2010 02:54 am (UTC)

You're doing better than I am. I'm not willing to admit she and I are living on the same planet. All evidence points to the contrary.


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milkshake_b
milkshake_b
Milkshake Butterfly
Thu, Mar. 25th, 2010 05:51 am (UTC)

That's an... interesting interpretation of the first two books. Marcone was only in two scenes in the first one, and maybe four, tops, in the second. It's really kind of remarkable: I have never shared a pairing with her she has not made me embarrassed to like.


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